{"id":6965,"date":"2008-04-18T10:12:00","date_gmt":"2008-04-18T10:12:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?p=6965"},"modified":"2023-07-05T10:18:37","modified_gmt":"2023-07-05T10:18:37","slug":"kim-dogulu-kim-batili","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?p=6965","title":{"rendered":"\u201cKim &#8216;Do\u011fulu&#8217; Kim &#8216;Bat\u0131l\u0131&#8217;?\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\"><strong><em>Abdurrahman \u00dcz\u00fclmez\u2019in g\u00f6nderdi\u011fi bir yaz\u0131<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:50px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Amcao\u011flu selam.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00c7ok \u00f6nemli ve g\u00fcncel bir soruna de\u011finmi\u015fsin.<sup>(*)<\/sup> Fakat ben bu konuda biraz farkl\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Bir s\u00fcre \u00f6nce bana g\u00f6nderdi\u011fin Nabi Ya\u011fc\u0131&#8217;yla -ki malum \u00f6nemli ve \u00f6zg\u00fcn bir d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u00fcm\u00fczd\u00fcr- ilgili linkte Orta\u00e7a\u011fla ilgili alg\u0131lardaki ezberlerin yanl\u0131\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131na de\u011finiyordu. Bu da \u00f6yle bir konudur bence. Zira rahmetli Edward Said&#8217;in bahsetti\u011fi Oryantalizm&#8217;in tuza\u011f\u0131na d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyoruz \u00e7o\u011fu kez bu konuda. Bat\u0131n\u0131n dinamik, Do\u011fuyu ise, hi\u00e7bir zaman de\u011fi\u015fmez ve dura\u011fan oldu\u011funu varsay\u0131yoruz. Oysa daha \u00f6nce do\u011funun \u00f6nde (\u00fcst\u00fcn de\u011fil) oldu\u011fu d\u00f6nemler de oldu. Bat\u0131 da daha d\u00fcne kadar benzer sorunlar\u0131 ya\u015fad\u0131. Bug\u00fcnde bu sorunlar yerine ba\u015fka sorunlarla bo\u011fu\u015fuyor. Ayr\u0131ca idealize edildi\u011fi gibi her \u015fey orda da g\u00fcll\u00fck g\u00fclistanl\u0131k de\u011fil. \u00d6nyarg\u0131 ve &#8216;\u00f6tekiler&#8217; s\u00f6z konusu oldu\u011funda bat\u0131l\u0131lar da hukukun \u00fcst\u00fcnl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc bir tarafa b\u0131rakmaya meyledebiliyorlar. Tamam do\u011fu daha geride bu konuda. Ama Bat\u0131 d\u00fcnyas\u0131 da bu konuda sorunsuz de\u011fil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ayr\u0131ca do\u011fu ve bat\u0131n\u0131n bu \u015fekilde ayr\u0131\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 bir t\u00fcr \u00f6zc\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc de beraberinde getiriyor. Zira iki taraf\u0131n ezelden ebede farkl\u0131 ve temelde de\u011fi\u015fmez \u00f6zelliklere sahip oldu\u011funu kabul etmi\u015f oluyoruz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bunun d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda tarihsel olarak bak\u0131nca meseleye d\u00fcped\u00fcz yanl\u0131\u015f verilere dayand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da ileri s\u00fcrebiliriz. Mesela 12, 13 veya 15, 16. y\u00fczy\u0131llarda do\u011fulular i\u00e7in bug\u00fcn s\u00f6ylenenleri tam benzerini bat\u0131l\u0131lar i\u00e7in, aksi de do\u011fulular i\u00e7in \u00fcstelik \u00e7o\u011fu kez Avrupal\u0131lar taraf\u0131ndan ileri s\u00fcr\u00fcl\u00fcyordu. Daha sonraki d\u00f6nemlerde ise giderek Bat\u0131l\u0131lar i\u00e7in do\u011fu Bat\u0131n\u0131n aksi ve dura\u011fan tasvir edildi \u00f6tekile\u015ftirildi. Oryantalizm denilen de budur. O halde kim &#8216;Do\u011fulu&#8217; kim &#8216;Bat\u0131l\u0131&#8217;?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Neyse konu cazip, ama vakit dar. Benden bu kadar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tekrar selamlar\u2026 Ho\u015f\u00e7a kal\u0131n\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>18 Nisan 2008<br>Abdurrahman \u00dcz\u00fclmez<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:30px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><em>(*) \u0130lgili yaz\u0131 a\u015fa\u011f\u0131da:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-muslum-uzulmez wp-block-embed-muslum-uzulmez\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"lVp25yWXz9\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?p=6263\">Do\u011fu-Bat\u0131 Fark\u0131 ve Yasalar\u0131n G\u00fc\u00e7s\u00fczl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; clip: rect(1px, 1px, 1px, 1px);\" title=\"&#8220;Do\u011fu-Bat\u0131 Fark\u0131 ve Yasalar\u0131n G\u00fc\u00e7s\u00fczl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc&#8221; &#8212; M\u00fcsl\u00fcm \u00dcz\u00fclmez\" src=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?p=6263&#038;embed=true#?secret=hVZLITmMHZ#?secret=lVp25yWXz9\" data-secret=\"lVp25yWXz9\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"taxonomy-post_tag wp-block-post-terms\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?tag=abdurrahman-uzulmez\" rel=\"tag\">abdurrahman \u00fcz\u00fclmez<\/a><span class=\"wp-block-post-terms__separator\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?tag=avrupali\" rel=\"tag\">avrupal\u0131<\/a><span class=\"wp-block-post-terms__separator\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?tag=batili\" rel=\"tag\">bat\u0131l\u0131<\/a><span class=\"wp-block-post-terms__separator\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?tag=dogulu\" rel=\"tag\">do\u011fulu<\/a><span class=\"wp-block-post-terms__separator\">, <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/?tag=edward-said\" rel=\"tag\">Edward Said<\/a><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Abdurrahman \u00dcz\u00fclmez\u2019in g\u00f6nderdi\u011fi bir yaz\u0131 Amcao\u011flu selam. \u00c7ok \u00f6nemli ve g\u00fcncel bir soruna de\u011finmi\u015fsin.(*) Fakat ben bu konuda biraz farkl\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Bir s\u00fcre \u00f6nce bana g\u00f6nderdi\u011fin Nabi Ya\u011fc\u0131&#8217;yla -ki malum \u00f6nemli ve \u00f6zg\u00fcn bir d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcr\u00fcm\u00fczd\u00fcr- ilgili linkte Orta\u00e7a\u011fla ilgili alg\u0131lardaki ezberlerin yanl\u0131\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131na de\u011finiyordu. Bu da \u00f6yle bir konudur bence. Zira rahmetli Edward Said&#8217;in bahsetti\u011fi Oryantalizm&#8217;in tuza\u011f\u0131na d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyoruz \u00e7o\u011fu kez bu konuda. Bat\u0131n\u0131n dinamik, Do\u011fuyu ise, hi\u00e7bir zaman de\u011fi\u015fmez ve dura\u011fan oldu\u011funu varsay\u0131yoruz. Oysa daha \u00f6nce do\u011funun \u00f6nde (\u00fcst\u00fcn de\u011fil) oldu\u011fu d\u00f6nemler de oldu. Bat\u0131 da daha d\u00fcne kadar benzer sorunlar\u0131 ya\u015fad\u0131. Bug\u00fcnde bu sorunlar yerine ba\u015fka sorunlarla bo\u011fu\u015fuyor. Ayr\u0131ca idealize<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3403],"tags":[2263,4825,4827,4826,1351],"class_list":["post-6965","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-plus","tag-abdurrahman-uzulmez","tag-avrupali","tag-batili","tag-dogulu","tag-edward-said"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6965","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=6965"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6965\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6967,"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6965\/revisions\/6967"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=6965"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=6965"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.uzulmez.site\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=6965"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}